Edit: I decided to rename this post to better reflect it’s content.
Is it true that the HoneyBadger Brigade had the intent when they attended CalgaryExpo to be expelled? Well, there seems to be at least one person that believes this to be true.
The person in question is none other than “John the Other” a “former” member of AVFM, it seems. On the surface, it does look as if he makes a decent argument but what I want to do is dissect his video, a least a little, to try and determine of his argument actually passes any reasonable test.
JtO’s video begins with the inclusion of a clip from another video about the actually animal, the Honey badger. He then begins himself by asking about this “fiasco” or “drama”, or “stunt” or “stunt that went sideways” (Ahhh, I can already tell where this is headed, without him starting off my saying “Today, I’m going to be the bad guy”, which is indicative in itself.)
Around the 2 minute mark, he starts discussing Alison Tiemon’s work as a comic book (graphic novel?) author. He then spends some amount of time (about a minute out of 7.5) criticizing it as “competently drawn” but that, in his opinion, doesn’t contain a story or plot. Please realize he begins by saying he’s read “part of it” so, as criticism of someone else’s work, hardly qualifies.
He then lets everyone know that this was crowd funded by these women as “The HoneyBadgers” which in his opinion makes this “event” as he calls it, not about comics, but “an MRA event”. Well, having little to no knowledge about this group myself other than what I’ve read in the last several days, exactly how were they supposed to crowd fund them attending as a group? “Alison and Friends”? how about “Nerd Girls”? No they crowd funded it as the group they are known as to those that follow them and listen to their program. Why is there a problem with identifying who you are?
This is where JtO then goes completely Conspiracy 101 in that he begins to accuse these attendees of using Alison’s comic creation as a “ruse” and again a “stunt” to “infiltrate”. He actually states that their purpose was to go there, “create a ruckus” and get kicked out. He knows this exactly how? He mentions this video in which Karen Straughn is interviewed about the expulsion claiming Karen admits their purpose was to get expelled. Watch the video yourself. It’s long, and I either missed it, or what JtO claims about this interview isn’t there.
He then spends the remainder of his time, accusing Alison of “damseling” because in her video, she was crying and in his definition, crying equals damseling. I don’t pretend to infer intention to Alison, and full disclosure, don’t know her at all but I came away with a completely different thought on her emotional response.
Judging Alison’s intent is unfair. Who can know how someone will respond to any negative event? Sure, we didn’t see Karen crying in her interview video, but people are different. And comparing her to Anita Sarkeesian or Rebecca Watson as playing the “victim” is ludicrous and is reaching.
So why the emotional reaction in her video? Could it be that Alison was specifically banned, for life, from any future events these organizers have anywhere in Canada (or anywhere else, I guess)? A ban like that may effectively end her career in comics, something she has apparently been working on for several years. So yes, for some people, this might evoke an emotional response.
Alison’s video also gives me pause on JtO’s conspiracy theory that that was the HBB’s intent all along – to get expelled. Why would anyone jeopardize their future over a stupid comic exposition? Is he now saying that these women are stupid? Because it has to be one or the other, wouldn’t you think?
So, I find JtO’s argument as something straight out of a – comic book. Assuming intent without facts, and attacking an individual (her work and her intentions) does not make in any way for me a valid, reasonable argument. It appears to me, that he is still angry at being booted from AVFM and of course, will attack anyone and anything to justify his anger.
Finally, for full disclosure, I do not identify as an MRA, but for a few months about 3 years ago, I did make a small ($25) monthly contribution to AVFM. Why did I stop? There was a time when I would browse their website (yes, when JtO was there) and found articles posted that I believed were completely inappropriate and probably caused more harm for mens rights than good. I still believe that today.